Jade Goody

[NelsonL1995]

:oops: Can't look at a paper without finding somthing about Jade in it.
If its not the front page, your sure to find it inside.

Its like the story's about Maddie McCann, they get boring.

You are easily bored .I wonder what it takes to excite you .

Wouldn't you like to know

[Govangirl]

As someone who was 'taking time off' from this forum I've been absolutely shocked and stunned reading this thread. I cannot believe the unnecessary flak Ticketty Boo! got just for giving his opinion. Why the Hell shouldn't he give his view? As far as I could see, he was only saying he didn't like the woman or all the bluddy media circus that's surrounding the story. He wasn't lacking in compassion about this terrible disease or the fact her children would be left motherless. As was quoted:

Not quite sure this is a 'right vs. wrong' discussion, just different perspectives.

So why were some posters villified at giving their perspectives?

No-one could not be moved at this poor mother's situation - it's horrifying! But there's something disturbing about the 'reality show' still continuing with a camera lens at every stage of her tragic illness. This is a thread about Jade Goody and I for one have been appalled at how over the years her ignorance has been celebrated. Only last week that girl on University Challenge was treated like a pariah because of her intelligence - How the Hell did we get to this point where our values have been so warped?

Granted it's a sad indictment of the culture of celebrity but that's not really the issue here is it?

Well, sorry but I think it is and why was it so wrong for people to state - rightly, in my opinion - that she has achieved little in her life other than adding to our celebrity obsessed culture?
Of course we all have sympathy for Jade but I've been really shocked at the attacks made on those who raised issues around the story.

[dalintober lad]

She's a total walloper,

Could always rely on you Ian to strip away the veneer and get at the truth

but she doesn't deserve to die.

Thats life and no one ever said that life is fair

[Tosh]

It seems we have a few people here who either not read or not comprehend simple English.
I appear to be being accused of all sorts of things is when the worst I have said about this woman is that she is a nasty bully and in my opinion not the best of parents both of which are clearly opinions but backed up with good reason.

I've been lambasted for having no compassion when I quite clearly haven't said that I have no compassion.
I have people saying they have lowered themselves to my standards, these are the sort of people who buy this rubbish and keep the whole circus going,

I don't like her and never have, ok! That's irrelevant.

I have never claimed she is racist, guess what, I don't believe she is but she is a thick bully which is probably related to the way she was brought up, she been used by the media to make money but that has also made her an awful lot of money.
I think the whole voyeuristic obsession that the so called celebrity magazines and red tops insist on spewing out from their holes in the gutter makes me ashamed to be British.



I don't think anyone should have to die that young, I lost a good friend and colleague almost a year ago who was only a couple of years older than her.

[Sheik Yir Erse]

I don't think anyone should have to die that young, I lost a good friend and colleague almost a year ago who was only a couple of years older than her.

Just out of interest Tosh, how did your friend take it when you told them it was simply Karma?

So why were some posters villified at giving their perspectives?

Govangirl - I think you'll find an awful lot of the conversation had moved on from that point, that comment was in relation to the Max Clifford, or 'blood money' discussion. I don't believe I vilified Tickety Boo for their comments. I simply posted that I thought the "She won't be missed" remark was a poor thing to say. TB, much later, went on to state they meant that Jade wouldn't be missed by them alone, but that was clearly not the way most people read it.

This is a thread about Jade Goody and I for one have been appalled at how over the years her ignorance has been celebrated.

No, this thread is about Jade Goody dying of cancer. If people want to launch into an attack on how the voyeuristic British Culture has developed into a celebrity obsessed cesspit then I would suggest this is not the place to make those observations. Possibly start another thread to make these comments. Cancer is a very emotive subject for many people and it's therefore probably more sensible to separate the two issues.

Tuppence worth....

[Tosh]

I don't think anyone should have to die that young, I lost a good friend and colleague almost a year ago who was only a couple of years older than her.

Just out of interest Tosh, how did your friend take it when you told them it was simply Karma?

He didn't get a chance being dead but he would have heard it face to face and taken it as it was intended rather than jumping to conclusions.

[Govangirl]

Govangirl - I think you'll find an awful lot of the conversation had moved on from that point,

Not true. You just need to look over what was posted over the last 24 hours. I was exasperated that it was still going on, that's all.

No, this thread is about Jade Goody dying of cancer.

Maybe you need to read the thread title again.

Tuppence worth....

Exactly. Everyone is entitled to give their tuppence worth too! I'm not trying to start an argument here, and least of all with you Sheik, but there's been a lot of self righteous, misplaced indignation on this thread. Is there anyone on this forum who would say cancer was NOT an emotive subject for them? You do not know people's situation.

Well, at least it's taken the heat off some posters and you can throw some of the keech at me now. I've missed it!

[Sheik Yir Erse]

....... taken it as it was intended rather than jumping to conclusions.

Tosh - if you're going to make posts which consist of one word i.e. "Karma", then I would suggest you are actively encouraging people to draw their own conclusions. Perhaps if you explain your reasoning/beliefs behind your post, this would have prevented anything being misconstrued?

Maybe you need to read the thread title again.

And perhaps you need to read the first post again, and see why Ninja created the thread. It wasn't to do with the rights and wrongs of Jade Goody's standing in our society, it was to do with a young girl being told she's terminally ill. I thought that was quite obvious?

You do not know people's situation.

I never said I did know people's situation, I simply said that the two issues are separate, and with hindsight they should probably have ended up on different threads.

You'd have to be an incredibly fortunate person NOT to be affected by cancer, and of course it's a very emotive subject. Whilst I'm not in agreement with some of the comments made towards Tickety Boo, I can however understand why people reacted in the way they did. These things then tend to snowball.

Anyway I'm getting tired of this thread now, I thought it had started calmed down and move on. People can come on and defend their own posts, without me having to do it for them

Finally Govangirl, what's wrong with arguing with me

[A Horse called Juan Face]

Well, sorry but I think it is and why was it so wrong for people to state - rightly, in my opinion - that she has achieved little in her life other than adding to our celebrity obsessed culture?

That's not really her fault though is it? She's never been the shiniest knife in the drawer and I think the comments about her being a bully are probably fair, but she's the mental equivalent of equine faeces, so why should you expect any different? The fact is people still buy magazines because she, or some other person who helps to deplete my oxygen, is on the cover. Also, if you were to attempt to put the contents of each thread into the title box, I'm afraid that you would find it to be impossible as there is only limited space there.

I've not been on for a while so if discussions had died down and I've started them up again and annoyed people then I can only say good. Get that right in about you all. (I don't say get it roon' ye or any of that nonsense, cos if it goes roon someone it's going past them and not affecting them at all. People should think before they make up silly slogans).

[Sheik Yir Erse]

OK let's not tiptoe around the issue any further. There are two clear sub-contexts to the thread:

1. Young woman dying of cancer
2. Celebrity obsessed culture

So here's how I think it all went a bit bonkers. There are some/many people on here who do not much care for Celebrity Obsessed Culture, and even less so some of the 'celebrities' that make that up. Jade Goody being an obvious example of this. Therefore comments or inferences, along the lines of karma/she won't be missed/she's a waste of space, etc. allows others to infer the poster somehow believe she 'deserves' what is happening to her, and the world will be a better place without her. Now I'm not saying that is what was actually said, but people many people interpreted the posts in that way.

Cue the reaction from emotive section who think how can anyone 'deserve' what she's going through?

So perhaps those who feel sympathy for 1 should have a thread, and those who have an issue with 2 should have a thread?

Is there an analogy here to split the two issues? If you personally had an issue with e.g. troops in Iraq/Afghanistan I'm not sure you'd post about a young dead soldier you 'knew' (as people are assuming they 'know' Jade) that he was thick as mince, his mother's a nightmare, his partner's nothing but a criminal, he won't be missed, he wasn't a good parent anyway, karma, he brought it on himself when he signed-up, he was a bully, etc. Would that be acceptable? Would people have posted similar comments about the footballer Phil O'Donnell when he died suddenly, even if they believed all of the above statements to be true?

I contend many people would take offence at those comments, if they were made in those situations. I don't think the fact that 'it's only Jade' makes them any more or less acceptable, after all a man's a man for a' that.

[gizmo]

[quote][quote="Tosh"]It seems we have a few people here who either not read or not comprehend simple English.

[Govangirl]

Sheik, I swear I don't want to argue with you but I must be missing something here - no-one said she deserved this!!!!! We are just commenting - albeit with much difficulty in the midst of this lovefest for Jade - about the state of our celebrity culture. I can't help thinking about Jane Tomlinson, a young mother in the same dire circumstances who raised millions for cancer charities but whom didn't attract the same circus. But then, true, she didn't hire Clifford. I'm trying to make sense of the madness around this story. It isn't about a young woman dying of cancer any more. It's a scene straight out of a Huxley or Orwell novel.

The hysteria is nearly matched with what's happening on here. When did someone say she deserved this?

[LANDROVER ROGER]

Time to move this topic to Speaker`s Corner?

[Tosh]

It seems we have a few people here who either not read or not comprehend simple English.

OK, there's a lesson here, don't post without double checking everything.

Back to the subject in hand, I find Jane Tomlinson the ideal comparison, she wasn't wealthy but she wanted to help ensure that other families didn't have to go through the same and to provide help if they did.
Goody could have gained some respect by donating the million quid or so she's added to her wealth in the last week.
Jane's appeal has now raised over 2 million pounds and I doubt you'll find anyone with a bad word to say about her.
[looks like I was typing the same thing at the same time as GG]

[Sheik Yir Erse]

When did someone say she deserved this?

They didn't .......

Therefore comments or inferences, along the lines of karma/she won't be missed/she's a waste of space, etc. allows others to infer the poster somehow believe she 'deserves' what is happening to her, and the world will be a better place without her. Now I'm not saying that is what was actually said, but people many people interpreted the posts in that way.

..... and I think that's what happened and where it all went bonkers!