"Talentless" Celebrities?

[Govangirl]

Well, as someone who has criticised the celebrity thing and who also watches and enjoys Dancing on Ice perhaps I'm well qualified to answer (and as it's no doubt me you're having a pop at anyway! )I happen to think that there's a lot of talent on this show. I used to skate many moons ago and believe me, it's hard! For rugby players and actors or whatever, it must be really difficult for them. So they're obviously showing a talent - unlike, say, going into a jungle and eating a spider's testicle. I may be wrong but there doesn't seem to be any 'talentless celebrities' on the show who are just famous for being famous.

[LANDROVER ROGER]

I would sure like someone to explain the difference between the talentless celebs they are criticizing on this thread, and the talentless celebs they spout forth about every week on shows like dancing on ice and X-factor ?

Spot on!

[Govangirl]

What would you recommend we stop doing then? Watching all soap operas, entertainment shows, chat shows, sport programmes, current affairs, etc. etc? This has infiltrated every part of our entertainment lives and so what? Each to their own. I was commenting on the fact that so many buy into it all – buying perfumes and accessories related to that talentless celebrity, watching shows consisting of wannabees who then become celebrities, turning parts of the media over to these ‘stars’ who are only famous for being famous and wanting to be them. I THINK that was what the thread was about not about some snobby individuals wanting to pick at someone else’s choice of viewing.
I work hard during the week and like to relax watching known faces try a new, difficult and entertaining sport. There’s a choice of whether or not you want to read the threads to which you refer in the same way I never read the football threads. Yet still, every time there’s a new post, wee Roger there is in commenting so I reckon he’s a closet fan despite his protests. Methinks it’s time to come out.

[LANDROVER ROGER]

Yeah right!
All that I do is state that I do not watch a particular programme,and express an opinion.I do not criticise others for their choice of viewing.What you may think of as rubbish,I may like and vice versa.Vive la difference!
Perhaps you have a guilt complex?

[dalintober lad]

(and as it's no doubt me you're having a pop at anyway! )

First I would like to say I am not having a pop at you govangirl.
Personally I do not watch any reality tv show, neither do I watch Eastenders, Coronation Street, Emerdale, Casualty,Holby etc. though that does not mean that I think I am in any way superior to people who do.It's just not my thing.When I googled dancing on ice for a list of contestants there was two names I recognized,Melinda Messanger(page 3)and Donal MacIntyre.
When you mentioned Paris Hilton in one of your earlier posts once again I had to google to see who she was.I had never heard of her.
So what I am trying to get at is that I honestly do not understand where the line is drawn between the talentless and the talented celebs.Obviously it is down to every persons own idea of who is talented and who is a celeb.Because I do not watch these mainstream tv shows then my opinions and your opinions will differ.It does not mean that I am right and you are wrong,or vice-versa.
Also,it does not mean that I might not want to read a discussion on the forum on the subject and ask a question.

[Govangirl]

I do not criticise others for their choice of viewing.

Don't make me post your previous posts about you criticising others for their choice of viewing, Roger! Don't.

Perhaps you have a guilt complex?

I'm a wife and mother. I've got a PhD in guilt

So what I am trying to get at is that I honestly do not understand where the line is drawn between the talentless and the talented celebs.

See, the way I see it, and it's just my opinion, a talentless celeb is one who is not famous for any discernible reason - they're famous for being on Big Brother or for being married to someone famous or for taking off their clothes on lads' mags. Dancing on Ice began with a rugby player, football player, journalist, Blue Peter presenter, actors, singers and yes, Messenger. Now, I didn't know half of them either, particularly the sportsmen (although I had heard of La Saux) but they have made their name in a particular field. They had talent. I think I'd watch it anyway even if it were just people off the street.

[LANDROVER ROGER]

"Don't make me post your previous posts about you criticising others for their choice of viewing, Roger! Don't."
I might have passed the odd comment.

[petewick]

There's always the OFF button.

[LANDROVER ROGER]

There's always the OFF button.

An F Off button would be better.

[muasdalemouse]

I think we are missing the point here somewhat. The broadcasters and wider media's opinion of "what we want to see" is a complete lie, which they base on how much money they can make, for as little as possible outlay. Even the sports channels promote "interactive services", phone-ins, quizes, text services, etc.

By putting the working class on television, they have found the types of celebrities that most of society can identify with. So if you find yourself watching and enjoying the daily reports on Jade Goody's protracted death, or laughing at the misdemeanours of Calumn Best or Russel Brand, in all likelyhood it's because you are, or have the same type of qualities as those persons.

Meanwhile, important political, international and community events (the real world) are being shoved further and further back into the small columns at the back of our newspapers.

it is up to the government and televison regulators to take a tougher stance on the amount of hours of quality programming we should watch, not for the decision to be left to the public or for that matter the PR gurus like Max Cliiford and Rupert Murdoch who are more interested in cash and power than providing the nation with media that will educate as well as entertain.

[gizmo]

it is up to the government and televison regulators to take a tougher stance on the amount of hours of quality programming we should watch,

Yes more goverment intervention, thats what we need.

[muasdalemouse]

it is up to the government and televison regulators to take a tougher stance on the amount of hours of quality programming we should watch,

Yes more goverment intervention, thats what we need.

Yes it is...that's what they are paid for, particularily the regulators! Too much crap is getting through to our tellies. It's time to take a stricter stance on the likes of Endemol and other such makers of "reality t.v." should have guidelines on what "reality t.v." is, not what their opinion of "reality t.v." is.

We complain when the government get involved, we complain when they don't. Let's just have a free media and to hell with the consequences!

[blueboyno1]

it is up to the government and televison regulators to take a tougher stance on the amount of hours of quality programming we should watch,

Yes more goverment intervention, thats what we need.

Yes it is...that's what they are paid for, particularily the regulators! Too much crap is getting through to our tellies. It's time to take a stricter stance on the likes of Endemol and other such makers of "reality t.v." should have guidelines on what "reality t.v." is, not what their opinion of "reality t.v." is.

We complain when the government get involved, we complain when they don't. Let's just have a free media and to hell with the consequences!

I dont think half a dozen people on forums like this will make one bit if difference .The whole aim of these programmes is to make money ,which they do in lorry loads ,because loads of people get so involved with them and phone in making them and Bt fortunes .Some of them at first were great because a percentage of the earnings went to charity .I think the only one that contributes to charity now is the jungle .I occasionally phone in to that because of this .I would never phone any of the others ,because they only make the fat cats fatter .I think they are all fixed and the winners are decided before hand .Take the last big brother .Ulrika was from the start the highest paid on the show ,it was evident all during the show that the public and the other cotestant could not stand her and she still won .If she had went out in the first night then they would have wasted the 100 grand she was paid ,Does'nt add up to me .But there is one thing for certain we will never get it changed the only option we have is the remote control.