Environmental v Financial

[EMDEE]

Prince Charles has stated that the present financial crisis is as nothing compared with the impact of climate change.

I suppose it's OK to say that when the financial crisis is not affecting you personally.

I think that by now we all know about the environmental crisis, it is the other one that is having an impact on most folk.

We don't need the "fount of all knowledge" to tell us where we are going wrong.

(The man who's been waiting all his life for his job and he's now almost retiring age.)

Discuss.

[£3.73]

God love HRH and his "massive carbunkles" ... perhaps there's some homeopathic cure for the financial crisis and the enviroment ?

One can't imagine one ever flogging "The Big Issue" , so his view of the world is obviously gained looking down both barrels of a not insubstantial Royal nose.

I don't think Charles is irrelevant, but his opinions carry less weight with each passing year. His mum obviously doesn't trust him enough to retire, and hand down the family business.

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Prince Charles has stated that the present financial crisis is as nothing compared with the impact of climate change.

I agree with him.

According to scientists the worlds resources are almost bankrupt so what good would a healthy economy be if no amount of money could buy back a healthy planet.

[EMDEE]

Prince Charles has stated that the present financial crisis is as nothing compared with the impact of climate change.

I agree with him.

So do I!

I'm just pointing out that I don't think we need someone like this to tell us. It's reported on the news as if he's just made an amazing discovery and is announcing it to the world.

Other people who live in the real world are currently trying to cope with the financial/economic situation.

[History]

Just taking up your offer to discuss Emdee

I honestly believe that both situations, environmental and financial are in the mess because of human greed. While there are commodities to be harvested mankind will use them up until there is none left. Be it oil, gas or cutting down rainforest to make way for cocoa trees to make Easter eggs for fools to buy wrapped in half a tree of cardboard.

For years the banks have been throwing money at people and as most humans are material driven they were unwise enough to take it without thinking about what would happen when the piper came for his money and their wage was no longer there.

Don't want to hijack your thread Emdee but it would be interesting to hear how the present crisis has directly affected people in Kintyre.

[£3.73]

Global warming is or isn't an issue depending on which scientists you listen to.
I was convinced it was an issue, and now having done some research, am equally convinced it isn't.

Since 1945 the human population has risen from 2 billion to 6.25 billion. and is expected to reach 9 billion by 2050.
This is unsustainable.
It' a terrible thing to say, but there haven't been enough wars, famines, plagues or natural disasters to remedy this.

I know half of you are going to be looking at this post and thinking, he's lost it this time ... but humans like any other species can only exist in numbers that the planet can sustain. Prince Phillip wrote a foreword to his own autobiography ... and states ... if he's re-incarnated he'd like to come back as something useful, like a deadly virus, to help address the over-population problem.

It's obviously a very controversial subject, but maybe nearer to the truth than global warming. Prince Philip is by far a more controversial character than Charles. There is logic to it however. As 3rd world countries are increasingly getting western jobs - their expectations, wages & standard of living are rising. Therefore they are becoming consumers. And consumption on that scale requires an awful lot of resources.

Then again, maybe this is all bullshit as well ...

[EMDEE]

Don't want to hijack your thread Emdee but it would be interesting to hear how the present crisis has directly affected people in Kintyre.

That's OK, I was just having a rant!

[EMDEE]

Global warming is or isn't an issue depending on which scientists you listen to.
I was convinced it was an issue, and now having done some research, am equally convinced it isn't.

Since 1945 the human population has risen from 2 billion to 6.25 billion. and is expected to reach 9 billion by 2050.
This is unsustainable.
It' a terrible thing to say, but there haven't been enough wars, famines, plagues or natural disasters to remedy this.

I know half of you are going to be looking at this post and thinking, he's lost it this time ... but humans like any other species can only exist in numbers that the planet can sustain. Prince Phillip wrote a foreword to his own autobiography ... and states ... if he's re-incarnated he'd like to come back as something useful, like a deadly virus, to help address the over-population problem.

It's obviously a very controversial subject, but maybe nearer to the truth than global warming. Prince Philip is by far a more controversial character than Charles. There is logic to it however. As 3rd world countries are increasingly getting western jobs - their expectations, wages & standard of living are rising. Therefore they are becoming consumers. And consumption on that scale requires an awful lot of resources.

Then again, maybe this is all bullshit as well ...

Check out the Gaia hypothesis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

[4th gen Suthen']

It is just like a global rerun of Easter Island.... it will end the same way and there will be nobody to rescue the survivors.

How far down the line? maybe not that far.

[£3.73]

Just noticed this on the BBC 4th Gen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7951838.stm

I notice mention being made about crop wastage.

Is this maybe another way of "forcing" GM (genetically modified) produce on the public ?

What's the farming community's take on GM crops ?

[4th gen Suthen']

sorry to not reply to your post £3.73.

I feel GM crops are ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to feed the expanding world poulation. Without GM we would be producing the same amount of grain from an acre as we were in the 1920s.....now it is 4, 5 or more times that....and it needs to be more. We need drought, flood, weed and insect resistant crops.
It is a huge debate of course and I am not 100% sure I am right. There are pros and cons, benefits and harmful effects but with the world population predicted to rise to 9 billion in the coming decades, we just cant stand still.

On another issue. I know TomB started a thread on this quite a while back and it ties in with Emdee's original post on this one.
Early this morning, for the first time, I watched An Inconvenient Truth........ good grief. If only part of Al Gore's predictions come true then we are well and truly done for. Is it too late to turn things around and save the earth?

I think it might be.

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Early this morning, for the first time, I watched An Inconvenient Truth........ good grief. If only part of Al Gore's predictions come true then we are well and truly done for. Is it too late to turn things around and save the earth?

I think it might be.

A good old fashioned plague affecting only humans to wipe us all out might just do the trick. If you feel it coming on 4th gen remember to let the livestock out so they can roam