What's your favourite rant ?

[Mod4]

The following is a warning which has been issued to you by an administrator or moderator of this site.

This is a warning regarding the following post made by you: viewtopic.php?f=21&p=82790#p82790 . Please remove these lists as they are causing upset and concern to some on this forum. They are not rants but personal dislikes or hates. there is even one that could cause serious concern to a local individual from a legacy not caused by them. Please remove immediately.

mod9
Site Moderator

Firstly you have to ask yourself is it Mod 9 or mod 4, or mod 7 - not sure who I'm dealing with here - the whole gang of you, or just the one?
Are these concerns justified ? As it seems I have been accused charged and found guilty by refusing to delete some posts.
Wither these posts are deemed offensive or not - remains debatable. Surely I should enjoy established legal right - in that if I stand accused - then at the very least - I could reasonably expect to know the charge. In other words be specific, so I can evoke my democratic right of reply.
How do you know what these lists where - how can you attribute - my lists with personal dislikes or hate. You don't know me well enough for that. As far as the local individual ( local Bobbie local ) that could take serious concern from a legacy, the question begs - what the hell are you talking about - and more interestingly how did you come by this information ?
For the accused - it brings into legitimacy to question - your own relationship with the local.

The main issue was not reference to anything local but the bigoted bile you spouted. Do you honestly think it is okay to say 21. Glasgow Rangers 22. Orange Bastards ?

See when you all have a wee dig in - that's when I feel bullied.

That's where it all comes from really, isn't it?

[mod9]

I can change a bulb on my own thank you very much!!! Mod 4 bought it and Mod 7 handed it to me up the ladder.

Not bullying Ionns, just on the case on this forum now and by gee does it need it!!!

[A Horse called Juan Face]

My favourite rant would be that nothing works in this country anymore.
The country seems awash with managers, buerocrats, regulation & legislation.

There are less & less people doing anything useful and/or productive.
Everything has to be managed or regulated ... everything.
Since people at the highest level can't failed to have noticed this basic truth, it must be assumed that nothing works any more by design. (incompetence doesn't enter the equation).

That you can pay people less simply by allowing them them a pseudo-impressive job title.

CHANGE YOUR TAG. NERO DID NOT FIDDLE. ILL NO TELL YOU AGAIN

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fiddle

Who made you a mod ?

Horse doesn't recall writing theses things.

[Lossit Lass]

I think it is fair to say that a number of comments on the list were HIGHLY offensive. Perhaps staying on the other side of the world you will miss a number of these.

Diplomatically speaking ............So, you're saying I may miss it's offensiveness based on cultural differences? Ok then, what if I were to post something that here, "on the other side of the world" , is considered offensive but culturally it goes right over your heads? How will you know to remove it? Going by what you're saying, it's possible you may miss it & then *gasp* some of your members/readers might actually be offended. This is why allowing your members (who vary widely with regard to culture, among other things) self-censorship makes more sense.

While I think most of us get that your intentions are good (& that it IS the *Kintyre* forum after all), I think we can also agree that this type of censorship isn't necessary. In light of recent events in here, I just think you're opening yourselves up to becoming too trigger-happy with it. Inevitably, some things said in here will p1ss *someone* off, but imo it's more problematic that one particular entity decides FOR me what that should be, thereby taking away an opportunity to discuss that offense with the offender myself.

Perhaps in lieu of removing a post (or parts of one), Mods interject their comments (directed at the offender) at the appropriate times, within the thread. If that doesn't change their boorish ways then perhaps a system of 'official notice' can be used...by placing a footnote or code with their username that shows with their every post, indicating to all of us that they're being monitored. If public humiliation doesn't work, ban 'em.

k, now MY rant is done

[ionnsaigh]

Do you honestly think it is okay to say 21. Glasgow Rangers 22. Orange Bastards ?

Well you have .

[blueboyno1]

Dont see the problem here on both sides .I read all of ionns lists and at least six of the things he hates refers to me ,i was not offended .If someone calls me an orange ,rangers supporter,bluenose ,freemason,loyalist bastard ,that will never offend me ,because thats exactly what i am ,with the possible exeption of bastard .

At the same time the mods are there to do a job and without them what kind of state would the forum be in.I was only five mins on the forum when i fell out with Ionns over the israel topic ,we were both told to chuck it which i did ,took the slap on the wrist and then got on with it .

[Ags]

Good grief - 24+ hours without reading Speakers Corner and it's all gone pear shaped!! I don't post on here very often as I am far too much of a "sit on the fence" type person.....8 times out of 10 I maybe don't agree with what Ionnsaigh has to say (and that's if I even understand his posts ) but it doesn't mean I don't enjoy reading what he writes and all the debates that go on around him! Couldn't the offending line /s have been removed?? I didn't agree with a lot that was said on the jade Goody thread and I did speak up at that point, but it doesn't mean I think that thread or the thread which followed should have been locked! This is after all SPEAKERS CORNER. Isn't there a way Mods that you can have a huge warning over Speakers Corner at the board index point to state that some topics may cause offence??? There must be some way round it to save losing more of the opinionated posters??

[dalintober lad]

Couldn't the offending line /s have been removed??

The offending line/s should never have been posted !

Ionnsaigh is the first to cry foul at the slightest indication of a racist remark,yet he thinks it is ok to post religous sectarian profanities.

Should not have been a yellow card,it should have been a red.Now he is taunting the Mods by starting a thread on the Orange Lodge.

[Mod7]

The offending line/s should never have been posted !

Ionnsaigh is the first to cry foul at the slightest indication of a racist remark,yet he thinks it is ok to post religous sectarian profanities.

Should not have been a yellow card,it should have been a red.Now he is taunting the Mods by starting a thread on the Orange Lodge.

My preferred colour is red. A few missed games, might do him good.

Many users will think thats bad, but they are not a mod and i doubt many of the naysayer members would want to be or have the guts to make a decision on the basis of what they think is good for the forum and membership as a whole.

From what i gather, the forum was initially thought of as a way to promote Kintyre to the wider world. So if anyone on here thinks its good reading threads like the one just started about the orange order in the area, then speak up in favour of it.

Go on. The ones who sit there questioning what a mod does on here, say publicly that you think that particular thread should stay, what good it does the area, the positive exposure it gives the area etc.

From what i see in the thread, Ionnsaigh has no real interest in the subject matter, its just his childish rattle throwing way of looking for some response by us mods. My response is "Ban him" plain and simple. Members have been banned before for what they post on here, so why should he be any different.

BUT, the catch... its only my view and there are another 8 mods who may think differently, so that's why i haven't clicked the few buttons and put in force the ban i think should be handed out. But it may well be that when i get back on-line tomorrow the ban will be in place OR its decided that at least 5 mods say no, give him a bit longer.. i don't know..

[ionnsaigh]

Couldn't the offending line /s have been removed??

The offending line/s should never have been posted !

Ionnsaigh is the first to cry foul at the slightest indication of a racist remark,yet he thinks it is ok to post religous sectarian profanities.

Should not have been a yellow card,it should have been a red.Now he is taunting the Mods by starting a thread on the Orange Lodge.

So it was OK to rant about...
1. Pope
2. The Catholic Church
3. Priests
4. Drunken Celtic Supporters
5. The Virgin Mary
6. The Immaculate Conception
7. The Holy Ghost
8. Jesus Christ
Yet when it comes to Glasgow Rangers and the Orange Order they cry foul - religious tolerance is a two way process.
Strange when such things as..
9. Starvation
10. Disease
11. Aids ... failed to solicit a response.

[gizmo]

I think you will find people were as offended by all your anti religion comments as by your sectarian spoutings. I am not religious but dont feel the need to have a pop at things that some people hold dear. The less said about your anti army and pro republican sentiments the better as far as I am concerned. Unless of course you are just trying to get on peoples tits for the sake of it.

[jdcarra]

From what i gather, the forum was initially thought of as a way to promote Kintyre to the wider world.

Well said Mod7, throw in the red cards and throw out Speakers Corner and all the crap with it.It should never have been opened in the first place and thats my view .

[Ags]

You beat me to that one JD. If this forum is to promote Kintyre then why the heck do we have Speakers Corner?? Do away with it before there are any more feuds!!

[Sheik Yir Erse]

I might be wide of the mark here with this post, but here goes.........

From what i gather, the forum was initially thought of as a way to promote Kintyre to the wider world.

Surely it's the job of VisitScotland, the other tourist agencies, tourist websites and the Kintyre people to promote Kintyre to the wider world

So do we have ..........

Come in, but don't dare mention something that ANYONE in the entire WORLD could find even remotely offensive!

So, welcome to the Kintyre (Good News Only) Forum, where bad things or controversial subjects need not be discussed.

Surely the debate highlights that people from Kintyre are able to engage in 'reasoned' debate (sometime heated), agree their differences, and just get on with things? Surely that epitomises living in a small close knit community? Having been on various forums this is actually a paragon of decorum, and generally very well-mannered. I would hate to see what some people thought of other "Scottish" forums if they are offended by some of the stuff on here.

If the purpose of the Forum is purely to portray people from Kintyre in a positive light then that is censorship way above what the Mods are being accused of

[£3.73]

Well said Sheik !!!

The problem seems to be endemic of society in recent times.

This notion that EVERYONE has to agree on everything ... that's not democracy, ... that's censorship.

You couldn't get more than a handful of people to agree where the punctuation should be in a sentence .... never mind the content of it. And if they did manage to string a few words together, it would be watered down and meaningless enough to give BLAND a bad name.

Centuries ago. it was deemed highly offensive to suggest the world wasn't flat ....

Good job they never had Forums back then