The Sky's The Limit

[ionnsaigh]

The Catholic Church criticises Halloween - I thought that the victors of WW2 where Anti Fascist. Then the reality of the matter ( buried deep within layer upon layer of propaganda ) hits. The Pope was a member of Hitler Youth.

[hoochykoochy]

The Catholic Church criticises Halloween - I thought that the victors of WW2 where Anti Fascist. Then the reality of the matter ( buried deep within layer upon layer of propaganda ) hits. The Pope was a member of Hitler Youth.

The R.C.C. has always been anti-pagan! You just have to look at the way they wiped out the atzecs, incas and later the Inquisition and the like! Yet christianity is based on Pagan holidays. This is just another cheap publicity stunt by the R.C.C. to detract attention from a Pagan holiday and raise it's own profile!

On the issue of the Nazi's, the R.C.C were responsible for giving refuge to many members of the S.S. (who were formerly members of the Cistercian order) when WW2 ended, and they also refused to criticise the Nazi's at the outbreak of the war. It is also likely that all of the main players in the Nazi party were Roman Catholics, since Arayanism is a fundamental part of the R.C.C. faith (when you read between the lines).

I wouldn't criticise the Pope for being in Hitler Youth though. I doubt if he had much choice and it was such a long time ago!

[ionnsaigh]

I wouldn't criticise the Pope for being in Hitler Youth though. I doubt if he had much choice and it was such a long time ago!

He had the choice to resist ( he or his family didn't ) They lived near a concentration death camp, that rounded up the Jews and anybody else who happened to be in the way - his past however long ago - gives or detracts weight, on the legitimacy of his moral authority - as Peters man here on Earth. He also deserted from the Army - claiming his gun was never fired or loaded for that matter. He was a member of an anti-aircraft unit protecting a BMW factory that used slave labour - from the Dachau concentration camp to make aircraft engines - So this gun was never loaded ? as neither where the tank traps, he laid down in Hungary. The people responsible for turning on the gas taps - probably never had a loaded gun either - nevertheless they murdered millions. When all is said and done he did desert his post - however this was in 1945 when it should have been 1939 ( metaphorically speaking )

The Catholic church has a long and painful history, when it comes to Democracy - they fought liberty in Republican Spain in 36/39. They have unashamedly supported the ruling classes - against the wishes and human needs of the poor and liberal - throughout the catholic world.

Paganism and Christianity are essentially one and the same thing - one being derived from the other. Each may have distinct forms of worship - but worship nonetheless. They both are - inherently based on superstition - used as a means of attempting to understand things. Paganism at least recognised the power of nature - whereas Christianity stresses the dominance of the supernatural. Some take the anthropological outlook in that - what we are watching is the evolution of superstition - juxtaposed with it's partner in contradiction - scientific fact.
The more we learn and understand - the less ground superstition holds - logic dictates at that point - mankind will eventually free themselves from the delusion - that god made man - to the understanding that man in his infancy - made god.

[hoochykoochy]

He had the choice to resist ( he or his family didn't ) They lived near a concentration death camp, that rounded up the Jews and anybody else who happened to be in the way - his past however long ago - gives or detracts weight, on the legitimacy of his moral authority - as Peters man here on Earth. He also deserted from the Army - claiming his gun was never fired or loaded for that matter. He was a member of an anti-aircraft unit protecting a BMW factory that used slave labour - from the Dachau concentration camp to make aircraft engines - So this gun was never loaded ? as neither where the tank traps, he laid down in Hungary. The people responsible for turning on the gas taps - probably never had a loaded gun either - nevertheless they murdered millions. When all is said and done he did desert his post - however this was in 1945 when it should have been 1939 ( metaphorically speaking )

So are we to blame every British soldier who defended our country for murdering German soldiers defending theirs? Should we judge a British soldier for shooting a German, Italian or Japanese soldier, when he would inevitably be shot for desertion if he didn't? And by the same token, should...

The more we learn and understand - mankind eventually free themselves from the delusion

...continue to blame individuals for crimes that mankind committed against mankind?

It is my opinion, whatever the Pope has done in his past life, that he should as most other people on the planet enjoy, be given the benefit of the doubt. If he had personally gassed Jews, or been accused of murdering innocents, then fair enough, but it seems to me that he made a choice, along with his family to defend his country against the threat of allied invasion, which the Nazi Party trumpeted throughout WWII. The Pope should be judged on his ability to do the job he does now, not on what he did during a time of poverty, symbolism and conflict! His Papal Bulls will be his final judgement and not what he may or may not have done in 1939.

As for the religious side of the argument, my view on God is much along the lines of the anthropological approach, however that does not mean he does not exist. Rather than he exists in the minds of people and that the power is derived from that! Good or Bad! A supernatural being is a figmentary illusion, yet if it gives hope and direction to people then what is wrong about that! The R.C.C has defended it's faith as every other does and has acted along the lines of it's believers. They will never admit guilt for anything they have done, because they don't believe they have done anything wrong. The only contrition will come when people start to walk away. Then it will be too late!

[LANDROVER ROGER]

Just a small point from the previous post.Forgive me but weren`t the German army an army of invasion,not defence?

[blueboyno1]

I see Speakers corner is back then.

[jdcarra]

I see Speakers corner is back then.

Looks like it with all the crap and sh*t appearing again, but then if we did not enter we would not know .

[£3.73]

there's nothing wrong with speakers corner JDC ... if the speakers have something relevant to say.

I personally don't bother with it much because it's crap/nothing to do with reality/amateur/people working off their personal angst/trying to sell something/trying to pretend everything's fine/lying/demonstrating a schoolboy (out of date) understanding of the world/repeating the general view of things as painted in mainstream media or trying to steer conversation away from anything relevant.

... and every now and again ... there's something magnificent/educational/well written/insightful/humourous

[hoochykoochy]

Don't suppose a forum addict has ever had anything to say about anything then?

[hoochykoochy]

Just a small point from the previous post.Forgive me but weren`t the German army an army of invasion,not defence?

Forgetting the (immature) previous posts... Germany invaded countries yes, but do you think the heirarchy were telling the people / soldiers of Germany that they were invading countries or defending themselves against foreign invaders? If you listen to some of Hitlers speeches we realise just what a siege mentality he created in the country. He used the defeat of WWI and the ban against the formation of a Germany army as evidence of suppression by the rest of Europe! The Third Reich had it's own agenda and the depression wracked people of Germany got the boost they needed and followed suit!

It was the Nazi party, not the people of Germany, nor the vast majority of the German soldiers who were responsible for the crimes against humanity, nor for the invasion of the rest of Europe!

[£3.73]

It was the Nazi party, not the people of Germany, nor the vast majority of the German soldiers who were responsible for the crimes against humanity, nor for the invasion of the rest of Europe!

Who created the Nazi party ?

(assuming that to do anything on the scale they did takes shitloads of dosh & friends in high places)

and why are they considedred Far Right ... when in fact they were National SOCIALIST ?

[LANDROVER ROGER]

It was the Nazi party, not the people of Germany, nor the vast majority of the German soldiers who were responsible for the crimes against humanity, nor for the invasion of the rest of Europe!

Who created the Nazi party ?

(assuming that to do anything on the scale they did takes shitloads of dosh & friends in high places)

and why are they considedred Far Right ... when in fact they were National SOCIALIST ?

Excuse me!That was not my post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[£3.73]

OOPS

Bad editing on the quotes there on my part.

Apologies LR ... all fixed now

[£3.73]

and why does Hitler make the front page of the BBC more than Gordon Brown these days ?

Today's story is about Hitler's house being sold !!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8347438.stm

Has he been renting it out or something for all these years ???

[ionnsaigh]

So are we to blame every British soldier who defended our country for murdering German soldiers defending theirs? Should we judge a British soldier for shooting a German, Italian or Japanese soldier, when he would inevitably be shot for desertion if he didn't?

No of course you can't blame every soldier - and yes they probably would be shot for desertion - however back to the Catholic Church - and it's current leader - who happened to desert his duty - in defense of his country. So what type of man ? waits until the war is nearly over - then fecks off ? Any person of real moral substance - would have vehemently opposed the Holocaust and the brutality of that regime. The first people Hitler persecuted, and subsequently murdered, where German.
Communists Socialists - The Intelligentsia - People with Learning Difficulties so on. The man who is now Pope - leader of one of the worlds largest religions - failed to take any moral high ground - in order to save his own miserable skin.